Hispanic Vote?

[ttaghorn]

Anyone think Obama is catering to the "little brown people" voter segment?

This should provide you all the info you would need on the subject.

IMO this is completely wrong, sending the wrong message to the "legal" citizens of the US, esp. those that are looking to enter the work force. This is nothing more than political bullsh*t spewing from the mouth of the head bullshi**er.

[GetHooked]

Totally agree.

[Duke Silver]

Two scholars engage. Wunderbar!

[GetHooked]

The scholars are the ones that support the current disaster in the White House. 6/25/12

[Duke Silver]

Originally Posted by GetHooked

I didn't say a fvcking thing to you and you feel the need to follow me around with your psuedo intellectual bullsh*t? I wonder how Clendon feels about no-account POS stalkers on the message board.

Stop being such an Obama kiss a** loser.

You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Clendon and I have dinners forthnightly. In the meantime, my I offer you this:

[Duke Silver]

Originally Posted by GetHooked

nm

Too late.

[GetHooked]

Originally Posted by Duke Silver

Too late.

Trying to be civil. I have NEVER met a group of Longhorns that I detest more than this group.

I'm going back to my original game plan. Drop political turds on the board and never get into a discussion with people, like yourself, that I have zero respect for.

[TOK2000]

Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed. The officials who described the plan spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it in advance of the official announcement.
The policy will not lead toward citizenship but will remove the threat of deportation and grant the ability to work legally, leaving eligible immigrants able to remain in the United States for extended periods.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1xsLPSCxW

Well I doubt anybody would deny that it's an election year gift to hispanics, they are part of his base, he needs them to turn out and vote for him.

But there is one thing I do agree with in that, and that if they have served our country in the Military then they IMHO deserve special consideration and not just a place in work permit limbo with no way forward towards citiizenship other than marrying a US Citizen (I guess).

But that arbitrary age range will cause problems, there will be stories of people who were just outside the range and who will have compelling and heart string tugging reasons why they should be included. Plus what is the situation for somebody who has to renew a work permit every two years for the rest of their lives?

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by TOK2000

Well I doubt anybody would deny that it's an election year gift to hispanics, they are part of his base, he needs them to turn out and vote for him.

But there is one thing I do agree with in that, and that if they have served our country in the Military then they IMHO deserve special consideration and not just a place in work permit limbo with no way forward towards citiizenship other than marrying a US Citizen (I guess).

But that arbitrary age range will cause problems, there will be stories of people who were just outside the range and who will have compelling and heart string tugging reasons why they should be included. Plus what is the situation for somebody who has to renew a work permit every two years for the rest of their lives?

Totally agree with you on service in the military. I'm opposed to allowing someone who is not a citizen serve in the US Armed Forces. I still can't understand why we would want that. But, for those who were admitted and served honorably, citizenship should be granted to them along with their discharge papers, should they not seek a military career....and, if they do..then upon their first reenlistment. For those who have grown up here, but are here illegally, and have graduated from high school, and who have kept their noses clean, I think they should achieve citizenship only after having gone through the same process as those who have sought citizenship legally. Citizenship should not just be handed out like welfare checks...it should be sought for, worked for, and appreciated with a sense of pride and accomplishment. Simple amnesty and blanket coverage for citizenship of illegal aliens, IMO, cheapens the meaning of what it is to be an American. I don't want this country to be further diluted by making citizens of those who just want to be here for the bennies, but don't really give a damn about this country, or comprehend what their responsibilities as a citizen should be.

[JG]

"Citizenship should not just be handed out like welfare checks...it should be sought for, worked for, and appreciated with a sense of pride and accomplishment. Simple amnesty and blanket coverage for citizenship of illegal aliens, IMO, cheapens the meaning of what it is to be an American. I don't want this country to be further diluted by making citizens of those who just want to be here for the bennies, but don't really give a damn about this country, or comprehend what their responsibilities as a citizen should be."

You have zero understanding of what these people live like...or what they do.

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by JG

"Citizenship should not just be handed out like welfare checks...it should be sought for, worked for, and appreciated with a sense of pride and accomplishment. Simple amnesty and blanket coverage for citizenship of illegal aliens, IMO, cheapens the meaning of what it is to be an American. I don't want this country to be further diluted by making citizens of those who just want to be here for the bennies, but don't really give a damn about this country, or comprehend what their responsibilities as a citizen should be."

You have zero understanding of what these people live like...or what they do.

And perhaps you have even less understanding that they shouldn't be here in the first place.

[JG]

That is true...but they are here and need to be dealt with. Sending them all home is not practical, advisable, or rational.

[Diverdog]

Originally Posted by TOK2000

Well I doubt anybody would deny that it's an election year gift to hispanics, they are part of his base, he needs them to turn out and vote for him.

But there is one thing I do agree with in that, and that if they have served our country in the Military then they IMHO deserve special consideration and not just a place in work permit limbo with no way forward towards citiizenship other than marrying a US Citizen (I guess).

But that arbitrary age range will cause problems, there will be stories of people who were just outside the range and who will have compelling and heart string tugging reasons why they should be included. Plus what is the situation for somebody who has to renew a work permit every two years for the rest of their lives?

If they serve honorably in the military then they should be granted citizenship. End of story.

Our immigration laws are totally messed up. We are chunking highly educated people out of this nation for no good reason and it is putting us at a competitive disadvantage. The nightly news ran a story on an a guy from India who worked for Microsoft and was brilliant. He wanted to start a software company in the US and what did we do....yep chunked him out of the US. So he went to Canada and started a very successful business across the border. Something has got to give because we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face if we do not figure out better ways of getting people through the immigration process to become US citizens.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by Diverdog

If they serve honorably in the military then they should be granted citizenship. End of story.

Our immigration laws are totally messed up. We are chunking highly educated people out of this nation for no good reason and it is putting us at a competitive disadvantage. The nightly news ran a story on an a guy from India who worked for Microsoft and was brilliant. He wanted to start a software company in the US and what did we do....yep chunked him out of the US. So he went to Canada and started a very successful business across the border. Something has got to give because we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face if we do not figure out better ways of getting people through the immigration process to become US citizens.

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

Screw France. And no, we don't want "real killers."

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

Romantic notion, perhaps true in the past, but not now.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by TrueHorn

Romantic notion, perhaps true in the past, but not now.

I suppose you favor "screening" prospective citizens?

[T-Horn]

Are you surprised when any politician caters to any group, tag? How about you, hooked?

Does it surprise you when a person acts a certain way, says certain things simply because they want something?

[bpwisc]

Originally Posted by ttaghorn

Anyone think Obama is catering to the "little brown people" voter segment?

Are you referring to the illegal aliens that entered this country as children? They can't vote.

[TOK2000]

I don't know if they still can, but when I was in the Navy Phillipino's were allowed to serve and many did. I don't know if citizenship was offered, but one that I knew told me that when he had his 20 years in he could go back to the Phillipines and live like a King on the Navy retirement which was much higher than the avg wage for a Phillipino.