Hispanic Vote?

[PearlandHorn]

Can someone explain how an "illegal" can serve in the military?

[Vinegar Strokes]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

P.S. In over five years of posting, I don't think I have seen even one Hispanic poster on this board.

How do you judge each posters ethnicity?

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by Vinegar Strokes

How do you judge each posters ethnicity?

You can never be sure, because the posting is anonymous and people can mask their identities, but my take is that most of the posters on this board are not Hispanic or black. If there are any, I think they would want us to know it. If I were Hispanic or black, I would want you to know it, and one way or another, over time, I would find a way to let you know it. It's a pride thing.

Unless I am very much mistaken, Shotym is black, and he's quite proud of it. He's also very intelligent, and actually probably a lot more civilized than most of the posters on this board. But he obviously doesn't feel the need to brag about it or bang us over the head with it, so he's been very low key and understated about it all. Nevertheless, my impression is that Shotym has very clearly, albeit very subtly, let us know who he is in a number of ways, and I think that is entirely appropriate. In fact, I think it is fair to say that being black or Hispanic is a very important cultural fact in any political discussion in America today, and most blacks and Hispanics are deeply aware of that. So I would be very surprised if there are any posters on this board who are black or Hispanic but have chosen not to let us know about it.

Hispanics in particular are deeply proud of their cultural identity and have no desire to abandon it in order to be accepted by "whites". In fact, the thought of being like most of the white people on this board is probably deeply repugnant to them. I myself find it hard to believe that my own race has sunk to such morbid levels of vulgarity and incivility, yet the evidence on this board is unmistakable.

[Diverdog]

Originally Posted by TOK2000

Well I doubt anybody would deny that it's an election year gift to hispanics, they are part of his base, he needs them to turn out and vote for him.

But there is one thing I do agree with in that, and that if they have served our country in the Military then they IMHO deserve special consideration and not just a place in work permit limbo with no way forward towards citiizenship other than marrying a US Citizen (I guess).

But that arbitrary age range will cause problems, there will be stories of people who were just outside the range and who will have compelling and heart string tugging reasons why they should be included. Plus what is the situation for somebody who has to renew a work permit every two years for the rest of their lives?

If they serve honorably in the military then they should be granted citizenship. End of story.

Our immigration laws are totally messed up. We are chunking highly educated people out of this nation for no good reason and it is putting us at a competitive disadvantage. The nightly news ran a story on an a guy from India who worked for Microsoft and was brilliant. He wanted to start a software company in the US and what did we do....yep chunked him out of the US. So he went to Canada and started a very successful business across the border. Something has got to give because we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face if we do not figure out better ways of getting people through the immigration process to become US citizens.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by Diverdog

If they serve honorably in the military then they should be granted citizenship. End of story.

Our immigration laws are totally messed up. We are chunking highly educated people out of this nation for no good reason and it is putting us at a competitive disadvantage. The nightly news ran a story on an a guy from India who worked for Microsoft and was brilliant. He wanted to start a software company in the US and what did we do....yep chunked him out of the US. So he went to Canada and started a very successful business across the border. Something has got to give because we will be cutting our nose off to spite our face if we do not figure out better ways of getting people through the immigration process to become US citizens.

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

Screw France. And no, we don't want "real killers."

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

France has a law that if you serve in the Légion étrangère, you can be granted full citizenship and a retirement pension, regardless of the crimes you may have committed in your former life. Is military service really the "end of story"? Apparently it is in France. Perhaps it should be here as well. If we want some real killers on our side, perhaps we should recruit ex-Al Qaida and ex-drug cartel hitmen. Should it matter if the crimes they have commited were against Americans or our allies? Does France ask questions?

Romantic notion, perhaps true in the past, but not now.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by TrueHorn

Romantic notion, perhaps true in the past, but not now.

I suppose you favor "screening" prospective citizens?

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by ttaghorn

Anyone think Obama is catering to the "little brown people" voter segment?

This should provide you all the info you would need on the subject.

IMO this is completely wrong, sending the wrong message to the "legal" citizens of the US, esp. those that are looking to enter the work force. This is nothing more than political bullsh*t spewing from the mouth of the head bullshi**er.

And one more example of the utter direspect that this President has for the Constitution by going around Congress to do things He wants that will better His political standing. Not only does the controversial matter temporarily tend to quiet talk about the bad economy(or so His Majesty hopes), the arguments that heat up involving emotions on both sides of the issue help to cloud the fact that this arrogant President will continue to circumvent the law to do what he wants until he's kicked out of office.

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by Vinegar Strokes

How do you judge each posters ethnicity?

Their accents.

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

I suppose you favor "screening" prospective citizens?

I was correcting your misstatement concerning the French Foreign Legion.

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by HORNSPANKED

And one more example of the utter direspect that this President has for the Constitution by going around Congress to do things He wants that will better His political standing. Not only does the controversial matter temporarily tend to quiet talk about the bad economy(or so His Majesty hopes), the arguments that heat up involving emotions on both sides of the issue help to cloud the fact that this arrogant President will continue to circumvent the law to do what he wants until he's kicked out of office.

I'm liking it better and better. Four more years.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by TrueHorn

I was correcting your misstatement concerning the French Foreign Legion.

There was no misstatement. Unless they've changed it, that's always been their rule.

[editionshield]

Originally Posted by Bitterwhiteguy

Their accents.

Das ist stupeed!

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by editionshield

Das ist stupeed!

Quiet down, you Kraut!

[GammaEta67]

I've always thought that Democrats were the biggest hypocrites when it comes to race. It's probably fair to say that Republicans traditionally have in many cases been very uncomfortable with the issue of race, but they have generally gotten used to it, and now it's no big deal. Democrats like to pretend that the issue of race doesn't exist, that it has never existed, that it's just a "phobia" and it's only Republicans who have ever had a problem with it. But when push comes to shove, with Democrats it's "Quiet down, you %^$#@". Now, after forty plus years of Democrat lies and hypocrisy, the American people are finally beginning to learn. The bottom line is that the Democrat approach to race relations of dividing, demonizing and polarizing the different ethnic components of the American people has been a disaster for patriotic Americans with origins from all corners of the world. What counts is loyalty to the American flag, the American ideals of human dignity and human freedom, and ultimately the American people themselves. Everything else is a lie.

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

There was no misstatement. Unless they've changed it, that's always been their rule.

Right. Check your facts someplace other than Beau Geste.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by TrueHorn

Right. Check your facts someplace other than Beau Geste.

You're right about a couple of things. First, it is true that I love authentic stories about soldiers performing amazing feats of bravery and daring with the highest degree of skill and cunning and utilizing the latest in high technology. And, of course, the French Foreign Legion is one of the most legendary, heroic, and sophisticated military organizations in history of the world. Second, it is true that the Legion no longer accept criminals on the run as a matter of general policy. They did, of course, and it is not clear when they stopped doing it, but I don't think it was really that long ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion

In the past, the foreign legion had a reputation for attracting criminals on the run and would-be mercenaries, but the admissions process is now severely restricted and background checks are performed on all applicants. Generally speaking, convicted felons are prohibited from joining the service.

On the other hand, whether someone is accepted into the Legion probably still depends on precisely what the crime was that they are alleged to have committed and against whom it was allegedly committed. Obviously, if someone is on the run, they were probably never caught and never tried, and therefore still entitled to the presumption of innocence.

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by TrueHorn

I'm liking it better and better. Four more years.

Better be careful; all that drooling's going to drip down and short out your keyboard.

[TrueHorn]

Originally Posted by HORNSPANKED

Better be careful; all that drooling's going to drip down and short out your keyboard.

I'll wear a bib.