Partisan thoughts on bin Laden, President Obama

[NeverAgain]

Originally Posted by editionshield

October 7, 2008: "...and we will take them out. We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHsjRzUTLQ

Sorry Ed - that's pre-election, candidate Obama - BTW, it looks photo-shopped to me as well.

[RepOfTexas]

Originally Posted by Bitterwhiteguy

Upon the approval of Obama, yes.

Which was basically a rubber stamp.

[RepOfTexas]

Originally Posted by Bitterwhiteguy

They both blew their chances, and that's the unfortunate part.

There, that's probably a little more fitting.

[editionshield]

Originally Posted by NeverAgain

Sorry Ed - that's pre-election, candidate Obama - BTW, it looks photo-shopped to me as well.

If you think the video is "photo-shopped", then I guess you think this CNN archive page from 2008 is fake too:

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-12/p..._s=PM:POLITICS


And if you believe all that, then probably it stands to reason that this entire IT website is a forgery as well! So it's all kind of a moot point!


But in the event that perhaps the IT board, and the CNN site, and the posted video all actually exist, then let's discuss your complaint that the clip is "pre-election, candidate Obama." Well, yes, of course it is, and it was posted with that acknowledged and clearly stated. (Thus the date "October 7, 2008" noted on the post.)

Your initial charge was this:

>>
Where he said the first thing he did on taking office was to tell the head of the CIA to make the killing/capture of OBL the top priority ? Show me where he said that BEFORE Sunday night.
>>

October 7, 2008 obviously was before Sunday night.

Your follow-up contention/clarification was as follows:

Originally Posted by NeverAgain

Obama bragged in his OBL "I got him !!!" speech that he had told the head of the CIA shortly after taking office, "make finding OBL your #1 priority" - that's real easy to say on the night they finally double tap him - show me where he told him that PRIOR to Sunday night. Surely if he told him and it was SO impt to the Bamster he would have mentioned it in some speech or his press reps would pass it on to the media - show me where that happened.

So I guess the ground that you are clinging to now is that, although there is clear documentation of Obama stating shortly before the election that he would make killing Bin Laden "our biggest national security priority," you assert that there is no documentation of Obama telling CIA director, "getting Bin Laden is our top priority." Apparently, to satisfy your position here, he should've called a press conference where he made it clear to everyone, "OK, folks, pay attention now -- this is me telling Leon Panetta, 'Hey, let's get Bin Laden, that's our #1 priority.' OK, did everyone get that recorded?"

That piece of ground you're on has gotten mighty small.

[Shane2]

Originally Posted by JG

Ok...I waited a couple of days. Now I don't mind throwing down a few Dem-biased opinions here.

1) First and foremost, this was a huge political victory for Barack Obama. He did what he said he would, go find and kill Osama bin Laden. He got him, and the man that attacked us is dead. The Pub president was not able to accomplish it, and he was.

2) It was part of a very good political week for Obama. Timing couldn't have been better. Donald Trump is bleating on about birther crap, and while he's talking about birth certificates, Obama is planning a hit on Osama bin Laden. Then the hammer falls - all the BS about birth certificates and long forms is just that...BS. The birthers were totally neutered, and Trump was eliminated as a candidate before he really got out of the starting gate.

3) This week went a long way toward exorcising the ghost of Jimmy Carter. Now the Dems have something to go along with visions of crashed helicopters in the desert and a president wringing his hands on TV, looking totally impotent in the face of adversity overseas. The Pubs have lost a significant edge they used to have - saying that they were better on terror and foreign threats. Uhh...no, they aren't. Despite Pub garbage about how Obama would make nice with terrorists and ask them gently to be our friends, Obama and his guys planned what is basically a hit, on foreign, and executed it to the letter. Two days before a bomb killed Gaddaffi's son and just missed him. The message is clear - don't f-ck with us.

The economy is growing steadily now, albeit not spectacularly. The only thing standing between Obama and a landslide election is the price of oil. That could still derail the economy and send us back into a recession...which would severely hurt his electoral chances. But if the price stabilizes and drops back again, the economy will be better, unemployment will be back around 7% by election day next year, and he'll sweep to victory.

You, my friend, are crazy.

Now, on a serious note, if Obama doesn't get serious about the deficit he will be remembered as the President who killed OBL and also killed our economy. That's bad, no matter how much spin you apply.

[editionshield]

Originally Posted by Shane2

Now, on a serious note, if Obama doesn't get serious about the deficit he will be remembered as the President who killed OBL and also killed our economy. That's bad, no matter how much spin you apply.

I'm not entirely sure he can save it. But the mortal wounds were inflicted from 2001 to 2008.

[Chigger100]

Originally Posted by ShoTym

Ohh Seal Team 6 and the CIA are new groups? Why didn't they get him when Clinton and Bush were president if it's that simple?

I don't know why don't you go ask them.

I think its ****ing ridiculous that all the partisan hacks are clamoring to get their particular horse into the winners circle. Yes Obama gave the order to go in just like other presidents gave orders to do other great things. Like those other presidents he is also going to give some stupid orders that will make him look like a goat.

The operatives and the soldiers are pretty much the only constant. Give them the credit and lets move on.

[NeverAgain]

Originally Posted by editionshield

If you think the video is "photo-shopped", then I guess you think this CNN archive page from 2008 is fake too:

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-12/p..._s=PM:POLITICS


And if you believe all that, then probably it stands to reason that this entire IT website is a forgery as well! So it's all kind of a moot point!


But in the event that perhaps the IT board, and the CNN site, and the posted video all actually exist, then let's discuss your complaint that the clip is "pre-election, candidate Obama." Well, yes, of course it is, and it was posted with that acknowledged and clearly stated. (Thus the date "October 7, 2008" noted on the post.)

Your initial charge was this:

>>
Where he said the first thing he did on taking office was to tell the head of the CIA to make the killing/capture of OBL the top priority ? Show me where he said that BEFORE Sunday night.
>>

October 7, 2008 obviously was before Sunday night.

Your follow-up contention/clarification was as follows:




So I guess the ground that you are clinging to now is that, although there is clear documentation of Obama stating shortly before the election that he would make killing Bin Laden "our biggest national security priority," you assert that there is no documentation of Obama telling CIA director, "getting Bin Laden is our top priority." Apparently, to satisfy your position here, he should've called a press conference where he made it clear to everyone, "OK, folks, pay attention now -- this is me telling Leon Panetta, 'Hey, let's get Bin Laden, that's our #1 priority.' OK, did everyone get that recorded?"

That piece of ground you're on has gotten mighty small.

Ed, I think you're taking all this way to seriously.

You just wasted about 10 minutes of your life.

Get a grip.

[editionshield]

And that last little sliver of ground sinks away.

[ttaghorn]

Originally Posted by Duke Silver

Crap! I've said too much.

Gosh, gee, golly, but I bet ole JGxxxx is plenty jealous of you two, just the thought of the hugging, hand holding and kissing will make his blood pressure rise for sure.

[Duke Silver]

Originally Posted by NeverAgain

Ed, I think you're taking all this way to seriously.

You just wasted about 10 minutes of your life.

Get a grip.

Not taking it seriously. Ha! The last refuge of a defeated moron.

[PFD]

Originally Posted by ShoTym

doesn't really matter what party you belong to.

Clinton failred to get him
Bush failed to get him
Obama got him.

And some of y'all wondered why I was bothered by the narcissistic tone of Obama's speech? Less than 72 hours later, we've got lemmings like ShoTym reciting babble like this.

In ShoTym's kool-aid drenched perspective, it wasn't the SEALs who risked their lives and put the bullets in OBL. It wasn't the Night Stalker pilots who risked their lives and delivered the SEAL team. It wasn't the military leadership who coordinated the assault. It wasn't the intelligence operatives who logged years of work tracking OBL down. It was the President, sitting comfortably and securely in the Oval Office, who "got him."

Ridiculous.

[PFD]

Here's an example of someone who actually "got him:"

http://battleland.blogs.time.com/201...-world/?hpt=C2

BTW, McRaven is a Horn, Class of '77.

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by PFD

And some of y'all wondered why I was bothered by the narcissistic tone of Obama's speech? Less than 72 hours later, we've got lemmings like ShoTym reciting babble like this.

In ShoTym's kool-aid drenched perspective, it wasn't the SEALs who risked their lives and put the bullets in OBL. It wasn't the Night Stalker pilots who risked their lives and delivered the SEAL team. It wasn't the military leadership who coordinated the assault. It wasn't the intelligence operatives who logged years of work tracking OBL down. It was the President, sitting comfortably and securely in the Oval Office, who "got him."

Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is your over-reaction to what ShoTym said, complete with the personal insults you decry in other threads.

[Duke Silver]

Originally Posted by PFD

And some of y'all wondered why I was bothered by the narcissistic tone of Obama's speech? Less than 72 hours later, we've got lemmings like ShoTym reciting babble like this.

In ShoTym's kool-aid drenched perspective, it wasn't the SEALs who risked their lives and put the bullets in OBL. It wasn't the Night Stalker pilots who risked their lives and delivered the SEAL team. It wasn't the military leadership who coordinated the assault. It wasn't the intelligence operatives who logged years of work tracking OBL down. It was the President, sitting comfortably and securely in the Oval Office, who "got him."

Ridiculous.

Just because you knew that partisan hacks were going to say this does not make his speech narcissistic. He could have said he had nothing to do with decision to drop seals in rather than remotely bomb--didn't even know the operation was planned--and partisan hacks would still say it was all Obama. They are not related.

Like BWG said, I don't know what's up with you on this issue. You're normally pretty even keeled and balanced, but for some reason a relatively innocuous speech has gotten your goat because he used the first person singular pronoun too much.

[PFD]

Originally Posted by Bitterwhiteguy

What's ridiculous is your over-reaction to what ShoTym said, complete with the personal insults you decry in other threads.

So, we're now referring to analogies like "lemming" and "kool-aid" as personal insults?

There are sissy-boys, thin-skins, and abject posturers around here from whom I might expect such a comment, but I have to admit that I didn't expect it from you. Disappointing.

[PFD]

Originally Posted by Duke Silver

Like BWG said, I don't know what's up with you on this issue. You're normally pretty even keeled and balanced, but for some reason a relatively innocuous speech has gotten your goat because he used the first person singular pronoun too much.

I despise demagoguery. It's that simple.

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by PFD

So, we're now referring to analogies like "lemming" and "kool-aid" as personal insults?

There are sissy-boys, thin-skins, and abject posturers around here from whom I might expect such a comment, but I have to admit that I didn't expect it from you. Disappointing.

Oh I'm sorry, did you mean 'lemming' as a compliment? Otherwise we're just talking in degrees then; just because your insult was mild doesn't mean it's not still an insult. For someone who seems so interested in espousing the need for civil debates, you sure do like to roll in the mud a lot when you disagree with the person.

[Duke Silver]

Originally Posted by PFD

I despise demagoguery. It's that simple.

Well, good news because that's not what his speech was.

[NeverAgain]

Originally Posted by editionshield

And that last little sliver of ground sinks away.

Hardly.

I couldn't expound last night as Ms. NA as having some pre-op prep problems.

First off, the photo-shop remark was a joke - like the joke I made to you re the silly video posted by Get Hooked - I gotta start using that winky emoticon.

Secondly, the importance of differentiating the candidate Obama blather from the Pres Obama braggadocio is obvious from the list of at least a half dozen candidate Obama campaign promises listed in this thread that turned out to be nothing more than yada, yada, yada.

Ed, look you're going to buy whatever the Bamster spews and I'm not - end of story.

Lastly, re my "taking it too seriously" and "get a grip" remark - at the end of the day, NOTHING said here, NO THING, matters a hill of frickin' beans - come 2012, you and I will cancel out each other's vote, JG will still be his anal self trying desperately to matter, Oldest will be a drooling loser and Condor will still be half bully and half bitch.

Now, it's a drop dead gorgeous day here in the mountains and I'm going to cut wood - have a good one.