‘Sharia-Controlled Zones’ Sweep UK

[scout3dave]

Originally Posted by JG

In any case, the people here freely choose representatives, and if the people elect representatives that vote to ban firearms or German shepherds, then that will be the law of the land as long as the people want it to be. If enough people want it changed, it will be.

And it could be done completely without the approval of anyone in the federal government AT ALL. If 2/3 of the state legislatures vote to call for a constitutional convention, we'll have one...and whatever changes are approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures will be law. The feds would have to lump it.

It is the state leges that would have to do it, not the people.

Our forefathers instituted the methods of altering the Constitution to prevent a majority to run roughshod over the minority, because no one with a brain trust "the people" to respect the other person's rights.

In the last 220 odd years there have only been 17 amendments, 2 cancel each other and 9 deal with who gets to vote and gain representation. Several others are strictly administrative. It is very hard to amend the constitution, thank goodness!

[JG]

But if the people, through their duly elected representatives, wish to make Wicca the national religion of the Republic, or if they want to impose the death penalty for jaywalking, then law it shall be.

"Democracy" is not simply doing whatever 50.01% of the population wants to do.

From dictionary.com:

Democracy:

"A government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by scout3dave

It is very hard to amend the constitution, thank goodness!

I'm thankful for that every time some dipsh*t advocates a marriage amendment.

[scout3dave]

Originally Posted by JG

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Where in that document does it say that "legislators" have to be the ones to make that change?

That document is the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Originally Posted by scout3dave

That document is the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Man, JG whiffed on that one.

[JG]

Uhh...no. I knew it was the Declaration. I had to google it to get the exact verbiage.

[scout3dave]

Originally Posted by JG

But if the people, through their duly elected representatives, wish to make Wicca the national religion of the Republic, or if they want to impose the death penalty for jaywalking, then law it shall be.

"Democracy" is not simply doing whatever 50.01% of the population wants to do.

From dictionary.com:

Democracy:

"A government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

We don't even elect our president by popular vote.

[T-Horn]

Originally Posted by scout3dave

We don't even elect our president by popular vote.

Are you sure? It might be in the Declaration of Independence.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by JG

In any case, the people here freely choose representatives, and if the people elect representatives that vote to ban firearms or German shepherds, then that will be the law of the land as long as the people want it to be. If enough people want it changed, it will be.

And it could be done completely without the approval of anyone in the federal government AT ALL. If 2/3 of the state legislatures vote to call for a constitutional convention, we'll have one...and whatever changes are approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures will be law. The feds would have to lump it.

JG is right. It's all about numbers. Which is why the Islamic forced-breeding practices for women are such a concern. When a Western culture committed to equality among the sexes is invaded by a religion in which women are subordinate and forced to have as many babies as possible, the result is an imbalance in demographics in favor of the newly arrived immigrant culture to the exclusion and possible elimination of the pre-existing dominant culture. Essentially, this is how Muslims hope to conquer Europe without firing a shot. The question is, should European countries be permitted to limit immigration from foreign cultures intent on superimposing their own anti-Western, anti-humanist, anti-freedom, and ultimately anti-democratic values on the host culture?

[JG]

" Which is why the Islamic forced-breeding practices for women are such a concern."

So you call it "forced breeding" for Muslims? What do you call the Catholic Church's ban on birth control?

[T-Horn]

Originally Posted by GammaEta67

JG is right. It's all about numbers. Which is why the Islamic forced-breeding practices for women are such a concern. When a Western culture committed to equality among the sexes is invaded by a religion in which women are subordinate and forced to have as many babies as possible, the result is an imbalance in demographics in favor of the newly arrived immigrant culture to the exclusion and possible elimination of the pre-existing dominant culture. Essentially, this is how Muslims hope to conquer Europe without firing a shot. The question is, should European countries be permitted to limit immigration from foreign cultures intent on superimposing their own anti-Western, anti-humanist, anti-freedom, and ultimately anti-democratic values on the host culture?

Wait a second, are you saying they're having sex with European women to take over the continent and not because it feels awesome?

There must be a lot of hate-f'ing going on with Muslim men then.

[Duke Silver]

I find this thread lacking.

[OldestHorn]

Originally Posted by T-Horn

Wait a second, are you saying they're having sex with European women to take over the continent and not because it feels awesome?

There must be a lot of hate-f'ing going on with Muslim men then.

Most enlightened post of this thread.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by JG

" Which is why the Islamic forced-breeding practices for women are such a concern."

So you call it "forced breeding" for Muslims? What do you call the Catholic Church's ban on birth control?

I don't defend the Catholic Church, but the Islamic forced-breeding scenario is quite different. I saw one such situation in Paris, and it was hard to believe. There was a Muslim grocery store on the first floor of an apartment house where I lived, which was quite near the Louvre. There were three Muslim brothers who ran the store, and they were the nicest, cleanest, most polite storekeepers you could possibly imagine. Each wore a white coat, and was always helpful and cheerful and friendly. Behind the storefront, they all lived in the same apartment, and that's where the semblance of normalcy ceased. The door to their dwelling was very heavy and kept bolted tight most of the time, with only a small slit at eye level for viewing strangers. Between them, these men had at least twenty sons ranging in age from five years old to possibly twenty-four years old, but no daughters. And in the two years I was there, I saw the wives maybe twice. They rarely came out of their apartment, and they never went out on the street. And these poor women really looked like they had had seven or so sons each. They looked like nice enough people, but it was clear that the women suffered horribly.

The sons were another story. They used to stand in front of the store on the street and watch the passers-by. I think they tolerated me because I was a Texan, and I would talk to them about about Barack Obama. At first they thought I was talking about Osama. Finally they realized that a black man named Barack Hussein Obama was running for president of the United States, and they loved it. They all used to start yelling "Obama!" "Obama!" "Obama!" when ever they saw me coming. There was always an edge, though, especially when some of their Muslim friends were around. By the time I left Paris, it was clear to me that they were not there to assimilate in the French culture. They were there to transform it, and they are well on their way to doing that.

All in all, there is no question that the revved up breeding patters of immigrant Muslims is rapidly transforming Paris and many other parts of Europe, and the question is whether this sort of lopsided breeding pattern should be allowed to completely transform a traditional culture more than two thousand years old.

It's a drama that is continuing to play out, although most Europeans, as well as most Americans, seem content to pretend it's not happening.

[Bitterwhiteguy]

Gamma probably thinks 'Cocoon' was a documentary.

[HORNSPANKED]

Originally Posted by JG

No I won't.

Let me scare you. You are no different from those in the 60s that said, oh my God we have to stop the evil Communists, or they will coming marching across the Rio Grande and take us over. The whole world will be full of evil Communists that are trying to destroy our way of life.

It was wrong then and you're wrong now, Mr. Nixon.

If you really don't believe that there was a genuine threat to this country and to our way of life from communist countries trying to spread their power worldwide by conquer you are very poorly educated. It was real.

[JG]

Yeah, yeah. The Commies were going to come marching across the Rio Grande.

Bull$hit. No they weren't. Communism works in countries with no hope, no dreams. It doesn't work where they have dreams other than simple survival.

55,000 Americans died because of that stupid fear.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by HORNSPANKED

If you really don't believe that there was a genuine threat to this country and to our way of life from communist countries trying to spread their power worldwide by conquer you are very poorly educated. It was real.

Needless to say, the vast majority of Americans (and probably most Europeans) are completely unaware of this and tend to view Islam as just another religion. But the comparisons between communist totalitarianism and islamic totalitarianism are well understood by most knowledgeable analysts:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Ibn_...Islam,_Part_I/

Bertrand Russell in The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism, published in 1920 wrote, "Bolshevism combines the characteristics of the French Revolution with those of the rise of Islam....Marx has taught that Communism is fatally predestined to come about; this produces a state of mind not unlike that of the early successors of Mahommet....Among religions, Bolshevism is to be reckoned with Mohammedanism rather than with Christianity and Buddhism. Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation. Mohammedanism and Bolshevism are practical, social, unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of this world". [5]

See also:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...pub_detail.asp

[JG]

"Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation"

Right. See: Spanish Inquisition, The.

[GammaEta67]

Originally Posted by JG

"Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation"

Right. See: Spanish Inquisition, The.

Christianity has been misinterpreted by Christians since day one. But if you read the Christian Gospels (instead of the left wing hate propaganda about Christianity) you will see that there is nothing at all in them except the need for prayer, fasting, staying pure, staying holy, forgiving enemies, and praising God.