When will Obama have one of his dramatic, tearful speeches about THIS huge problem?

Discussion in 'Politics and Current Events' started by Shane3, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    In your mind is 762 murders, in one year, a city that seems under control? It's more than the total number of murders in LA and NYC combined.

    In terms of the % increase from year to year, I'm guessing Chicago is ranked number one.


    CHICAGO — One of the most violent years in Chicago history ended Saturday with a sobering tally: 762 homicides, the most in two decades in the city and more than New York and Los Angeles combined.

    The nation's third largest city also saw 1,100 more shooting incidents than it did in 2015, according to statistics released by the Chicago Police Department. The numbers underline a story of bloodshed that has put Chicago at the center of a national dialogue about gun violence.

    The data released Sunday are staggering, even for those who followed the steady news accounts of weekends ending with dozens of shootings and monthly death tolls that hadn't been seen in years. The increase in homicides compared to 2015, when 485 were reported, is the largest spike in 60 years.

    New York City logged 334 homicides in 2016, according to NYPD data. LAPD data shows that there were 294 homicides in Los Angeles in 2016.
  2. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    "In your mind..."?

    It may be more than New York and LA combined (I haven't checked), but it is 19th worst in the US.

    St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Newark, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Memphis, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Oakland, Miami, Kansas City, Stockton, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Washington, Indianapolis... and finally Chicago. 19th in the US.

    You suggested the federal government get involved in Chicago due to how bad it is. It's 19th worst. (likely higher on the list in 2016). Are you suggesting the federal government get involved in all of these cities?

    And involved how? Militarize the police even more?

    IMO, escalating is likely the wrong solution. Do we understand why Chicago is getting worse?
  3. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Here's one opinion.


    24. Chicago, Illinois
    > Murder rate: 17.5 per 100,000
    > No. of murders: 478
    > Violent crime rate: 903.8 per 100,000
    > Population: 2,728,695

    Chicago has recently garnered nationwide attention from the media and politicians for a catastrophic level of gun violence on its streets. There were more homicides in Chicago last year than in any other American city. The number of murders in 2015 reflect a 16.3% increase from the previous year and a 10.9% increase from 2011. Conditions are not getting better in the Midwestern city. After an especially deadly October, with 18 homicides over Halloween weekend alone, the number of 2016 murders in Chicago now exceeds 600, well above the 478 total in 2015. Gang violence is the primary cause of murder in Chicago.

    With more than 2.7 million residents, the Windy City is one of the largest in the country. Though murder and gun violence in the city has dominated headlines nationwide, after adjusting for population, Chicago’s 2015 murder rate trails that of nearly two dozen other U.S. cities.
  4. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Sad stats.


    Gun violence is the leading cause of death for victims of homicide in Chicago with 725 decedents being felled by at least one gunshot wound.

    African Americans also bore the brunt of the violence in Cook County, which includes Chicago. They accounted for 710 of the county-wide total of 915 (88% of which occurred in the city). Men comprised 90% of the homicide victims in the county.
  5. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Thanks. That would explain why the murder rate is rising. Do we know why gang violence is rising?

    Clearly we should outlaw black males.

    Oh, wait. The War on Drugs has already done that to a large degree.
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  6. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Ferguson Effect. Cops are afraid to do their job.


    Pew survey: Officers more reluctant to use force, make stops
    The study found a significant fear among police about their safety and about carrying out some of the everyday acts of policing
  7. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Not sure I buy that. They didn't use to be. Now they are. What changed?

    I'm doubting Chicago hired a bunch of cops who are afraid.
  8. Selvinsankle

    Selvinsankle Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    I can see the logic of that: officers are more reluctant to use deadly force for fear of becoming the next viral video. But I think the positive results outweigh the negative. With body & dashboard cameras we're less likely to have a Jose Campos Torres-type killing by police.
  9. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    I agree. It will be good, for both sides, because it will restore trust in the police and weed out the few bad apples. It still won't be perfect, but it will be better.
  10. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    An interesting take:
  11. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

  12. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Depends on how deep the systemic issues in the force are.

    The DOJ had to step in here in Seattle, it's been pretty painful for a few years.
  13. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Is it working better now? This article makes it sound like the DoJ wasn't very helpful, but it's from May of 2014.


    In a highly public rejection of federally mandated reforms, more than 100 Seattle police officers filed a lawsuit Wednesday asking a federal judge to block what they called “mechanical” and unrealistic use-of-force policies imposed on them under a court-ordered consent decree.

    The 43-page suit alleges policies stemming from an agreement between the city and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) stoked a “bold, new disregard for police authority in the streets of Seattle,” putting officers and the public in unreasonable danger.

    The civil-rights suit, filed in U.S. District Court, contends the changes have effectively created “hesitation and paralysis” among officers, stripping them of their constitutional and legal right to make reasonable, split-second judgments in the line of duty.

    As a result, officers are afraid to do their job for fear of being second-guessed over burdensome, complicated and voluminous policies, the suit says.

    “Aside from evidence that officers are hesitating and/or failing to use appropriate and lawfully justified force to address threats safely and effectively, there is evidence of a dramatic decrease in proactive police work to investigate and stop crime,” the suit alleges in a reference to what some have called depolicing.

    Just two weeks ago, a Seattle Police Department report revealed steep drops in the enforcement of lower-level crimes, traffic offenses and infractions in recent years as officers have displayed less willingness to seek out illegal activity.
  14. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Yeah, that was the initial reaction. It was kind of childish of the old guard to trot out the "these rules are too onerous" when in reality they were much more straightforward and clear than the previous ones. It has taken years but Seattle's crime problem turned.

    To be replaced by a homeless problem.
  15. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

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    SAhornfan Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

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  17. HornsUp

    HornsUp Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    New York and Boston
  18. JG

    JG Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    You might consider that all of the big cities in Texas are run by Dems now, more or less, including your own.
  19. sausalitohorn

    sausalitohorn Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

  20. HornsUp

    HornsUp Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    My motto for Florida is avoid the mainland like the plague. Only live on the barrier islands.
  21. KBrown

    KBrown Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    As was shown a few weeks ago, Chicago is 17th in the US for gun violence per capita.

    It's a nationwide problem fueled by gangs which are in large part driven by drugs.
  22. HornsUp

    HornsUp Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Wonder why Trump isn't sending the guard into New Orleans?
  23. bHero

    bHero Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    It's okay, we're about to fix it by legalizing pot and banning refugees from libya. Rest easy, our government is focused!
  24. Shane3

    Shane3 Member Who Talks (A Lot!)

    Chicago is not improving.


    February 27, 2017
    Elvia Malagon
    Chicago Tribune
    Posted with permission from Tribune Content Agency

    CHICAGO — Four people were killed and 10 others were wounded over the weekend in Chicago as violence this year continues to outpace last year.

    As of Monday morning, the city had logged 103 homicides, compared with 101 this time a year ago, according to data compiled by the Chicago Tribune. At least 513 people have been shot this year, compared with 466 over the same time last year.
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